Gasoline

dr deuce · Post by **dr deuce** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:34 pm

A good text on Gasoline. Very technical

http://www.turborick.com/gsxr1127/gasoline.html

joel gopan · Post by **joel gopan** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:51 pm

Two Comments from reading this.
Our CCKWs have got tailpipe emission concerns. He said nothing about competetion from Chinamen competing for our fuel.

Our motor fuel in the US of A more or less consists of our favorite brand names all coming from the same storage tank with a little cocktail of individual additives to give it the type of brew that we trust to be our favorite brand.
Bottom line.
We really haven't got much say in the matter.

dr deuce · Post by **dr deuce** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:13 am

Check the date: 1995

Chinamen were not a problem back then like there are now.

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:30 am

Joel is right about the gasoline issue. Valero Petroleum of San Antonio is now the nations leading independent refiner and in this area they furnish the gasoline not only to their stations, but to Texaco, Exxon-Mobil, Shell and many others as all of the local refineries belong to them. They also own most of the refineries in South Louisiana.

joel gopan · Post by **joel gopan** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:33 am

I realized that. That was a lot of good information. Now we can update our CCKWs with computerized engine components to year 1995 to make the best use of hydrocarbons. Is he going to write a current report so that I can bring my CCKW up to date. The report left out an important message, and that is to go to your nearest Walmart and buy a bottle of CD-2 Lead Substitute. The 87 Octane sign on the Irving Gas Pump no longer tells me enough. I have a 1920s similar report that is much shorter.

I won't show the report to my CCKW, I don't want to alarm it.

dr deuce · Post by **dr deuce** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:10 am

I believe you will find the 'lead sub' is actually mostly sodium.

If you want real protection, it was pointed out to me that you can actually by the Tetra-Ethyl-Lead like in the old gasoline over the internet. I have lost the site, but it may still be there. I did not believe that they would actually sell you this stuff as it is about 2nd in deadlyness only to Plutonium in concentrated form!

joel gopan · Post by **joel gopan** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:45 am

PlutoniumDisneyworld,ain'the?

dr deuce · Post by **dr deuce** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:23 pm

Lead for the valves is

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:58 am

I just got an email from my friend in Sweden and he was writing me about the use of a gasoline alcohol mixture that he is using in his CCKW's and other vehicles and he says they run really great. They are refining alcohol from the wood waste from saw mills and paper mills, something they have an abundance of. The Swedes have been using the alcohol/gasoline mixture since WWII in all of their vehicles, other than the diesels.

dr deuce · Post by **dr deuce** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:11 am

You need to be careful with the mount of Alcohol in gasoline. I believe that GM and others only want to see up to 10% mixed in due to the affects on rubber parts. With 65 year old fuel systems.....?

Alcohol also has fewer BTUs per unit volume as I recall.

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:45 am

I don't really know. I know he has five CCKW's and uses them to haul stuff all the time. He sent me an ariticle on the use of coal gas that Studebaker was working on during the war with the US6 truck.
I do know that we can't buy the gasoline-alcohol mixture fuel in Texas as the oil companies got to our state legislature and they banned it. It was here for a while, then suddenly went away.

joel gopan · Post by **joel gopan** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:57 am

My fleet of eight run just fine with no complaints, in fact the CCKW had the same fuel pump that it left Denmark with for the first 21 years in my Yesterdays Army Collection, no evidence of any reaction with the fuels it burned, which ranged from leaded to unleaded.

joel gopan · Post by **joel gopan** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:10 am

Gas generated by Coal was tried by Ordnance on the CCKW in WWII and is well documented as not being practical. It is also mentioned in Major Crisman's US Military Wheeled Vehicles. There are many pages devoted to the CCKW in that publication.
Years ago I had to service a new Jaguar that was stranded at a motel because it would not start. The driver was the Senior Jaguar Factory Representative for the US. I was just a teenager, and he gave me a lot of good advice on starting balky vehicles. He also commented that in wartime Britain some vehicles were converted to run on creosote. I got a $20 tip and a "Cherio" for my efforts.(1958)

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:08 pm

One of the problems facing the Swedes in more economic than how good a vehicle runs. and with gasoline well over $5.00 a gallon, then the search for cheaper fuels becomes important to them.
I think it is important that the Army was doing arternative fuel research during WWII , just as the Germans were also. We were actually exporters of oil back then, and it makes you wonder why they were looking for alternative fuels to gasoline . Perhaps it was a supply situation for fighting overseas.

joel gopan · Post by **joel gopan** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:18 pm

The WWII Germans used converters on some commercial vehicles to burn coal during the War. It is not practical today.

dr deuce · Post by **dr deuce** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:11 pm

If you ever have a diaphram partial failure; one squirt to the carb, one into the crankcase, you will get a greater appreciation for being careful. That is if you do not destroy the engine before you discover the problem. I almost lost my GPW engine to this type of failure a few years ago.

Fuel pumps fail. If you are lucky, it just stops pumping altogether...

When you have a bunch of lawyers (liers)(congress) making laws about gasoline and finding out how many different 'brews' there are for different parts of the country and different times of the year, you may not feel so at ease with a 65 year ild fuel pump. And there is no PM for it...

joel gopan · Post by **joel gopan** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:28 pm

Most GI fuel pumps and kits dated after around 1957 will have rubber components that will withstand today's fuels. I have NOS WWII Dodge and M-Series Reo Fuel Pump, dated 1952/52 and they will fail within 10 miles. I have found that pumps dated after 1957 will go indefinitely, as there seems to have been a change in the neoprene used. I installed a new GI AC pump that we ordered from AC on my NOS GPW Engine in 1974 and it has not failed yet.

Bill_Wolf · Post by **Bill_Wolf** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:44 pm

I have had this article saved for some time. I use to use it at work when people would complain about fuel issues.

While is is geared toward outboard motors it does have a lot of points that address the old beasts that we play with.

FYI

http://www.maxrules.com/fixgas.html

Bill

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:09 am

Most rubber components used in the mechanical fuel components of engines utilize Buna N today instead of neoprene. It holds up much better in fuel and oil operations. Commonly known as Nitrile, it meets all current military specs for fuel handling situations.
It can not be used in any brake systems however.
It has been on the market since the early 60's.

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:56 am

Buna N is the most commonly used rubber material used in the oilfield today. It is used in all applications from pumping light end distillates to heavy cruce oil, both sweet and sour. It 't temp ranges are very similiar to the neoprene but much more resistant to errosion from petroleum hydrocarbons.