Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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Hi Steve:

My 352B1 is #40236 and, with the help of keen members of this forum I was able to nail down the 'birthday' as 26 or 27 May 1941. I think thats pretty cool as Artillery day is 26 May and my b'day is the 27th!

I have the early square shaped master cylinder and was wondering if you or anyone else on this thread might have found a source for rebuild kits as my won't hold pressure... it seems the fluid is bleeding past the piston as I don't lose any fluid... just slowly lose pressure as the truck sits at a red light! Yikes!

Congrats on your new baby... they are a lot of fun!

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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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Hi Steve, Bill and John:

Something kept nagging at me about dates on data plates. I finally found it on page 14 of Bryce Sunderlin's great opus (Steve, its avail in the CCKW history part of the website). Bryce states that dates were mo/dy/yr until veh #41189 then it switched to mo/yr.

In the corrections and addendums part (Part 10) he notes that the "brass' plates weren't. The clear laquer used to seal the printing on a flat plate yellowed with time and made the plate look like it was brass.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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Hi Mike,
You may wish to contact Rex Ward in the UK - he is the main man for GMC' spares - he can be contacted at email address removed - worth a try he has a huge stock of parts.

In respect of the actual data plates what should they be made of zinc? - looks like it is not brass?

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someone told me the master was or had parts from a Hough front end loader (old)
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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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Hi Steve:

You may want to read it through yourself: http://www.cckw.org/jimmy_ancestry.htm

Sunderlin notes that the data plate for early 352 and 353 were different as the model number was part of the plate. Your photo shows the model number stamped into the plate as per late models.

He also notes that any brass plates were post war replacements. There is a comment that all the nomenclature plates were always etched zinc but the instruction plates on early trucks were printed on tinplate. They weren't actually photo-etched and were smooth to the touch as opposed to having raised letters.

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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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Hi Mike,
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction I have looked on the site but never come across these articles.
I have had to change the order on my new data plates back to Zinc as I think this is the nearest I am going to get to the originals hopefully I have done this in time!
Any chance of you uploading some photos of your truck? - would be nice to see a similar truck to mine.
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Hi Steve: Ther were photos here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3053 but they've disappeared. I'll try posting some recent pics this weekend.

Steve and Dr Deuce: thanks for the hints on brake parts: I'll follow up over the winter.

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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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As I am having some new data plates made up could someone give me an idea of the date of manufacture I know it is March/April 1941 but does anyone have an estimate of the day. Thanks Steve
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The original plates I have seen on a couple of CCKW's do not list the day, just the month and year.
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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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HI Bill,
The link Mike gave me to the articles on the GMC in Military Motors says that the really early GMC's had tinplate data plates, the details not stamped but part of the plate and that it had the full date i.e.3/27/41?
Based on my chassis number I am not sure this would apply - I always try and have my vehicles correct and it is possible that the date could be 3-41 and stamped, but to be honest I am now very confused,I suppose that goes with having early trucks. Any views would be apppreciated on this. regards Steve
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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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Hi Steve:

I think we may have been confusing ourselves. I've reread Sunderlin's articles and the manufacturer's (also called "nomenclature") plate on early trucks was etched but was different from 352 to 353 because the model number was etched and the serial was stamped as was the three part date. You number is less than #41189 so you need a three part date. Keep looking at the various registers and "talk" to the number experts on this and other fora to try to narrow the date down. I've decided to stamp my repro plate with 27 May 1941 as its my b'day and I'm certain my truck was made either the 26th or 27th.

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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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Sorry it is French.
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Première génération :
La première génération de plaquette pour nos GMC, apparait bien évidemment avec la naissance des CCKWX.
Du numéro de châssis 001 à 13188.
Quatre plaquettes de cabine sont positionnées :
La ‘’Shifting Arrangement Plate’’ qui se positionne sur le fronton de cabine à gauche du cache essuie-glace de chauffeur et qui est en deux versions, avec ou sans treuil.
La ‘’Road Speed Caution Plate’’, toujours sur le fronton mais entre les deux essuie-glaces.
La ‘’Winch Caution Plate’’, à droite du cache essuie-glace du passager, pour les véhicules qui sont munis d’un treuil.
La ‘’Serial Number and Operating Data Plate’’ positionnée sur le corps de cabine sous le tableau de bord. Cette dernière possède des caractéristiques bien particulières, on y trouve la mention spécifique CCKWX-353 sans distinction de châssis court ou long et une seule case pour indiquer le numéro de châssis, comme à cette époque les suffix de nomenclature ne sont pas encore inventés. La date de délivrance étant estampillée uniquement mois/année.
Deux indications sont particulières et évolueront avec le temps, on y trouve dans le quart supérieur la référence au ‘’Quartermaster Corps’’ et en bas à ‘’Yellow Truck & Coach MFG. CO. Pontiac, Mich.’’
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Seconde génération :
Du numéro de châssis 13189 à 41188.
La ‘’Winch Caution Plate’’, à droite du cache essuie-glace du passager, pour les véhicules qui sont munis d’un treuil prend une nouvelle forme.
La ‘’Serial Number and Operating Data Plate’’ positionnée sur le corps de cabine sous le tableau de bord change :
-----La mention CCKWX est remplacée par la mention CCKW.
-----Le 353 est toujours estampillé sur la plaquette mais une version 352 fait son apparition.
-----l’emplacement pour le numéro de châssis est maintenant en deux partie pour pouvoir mettre le suffix (A1, B2, …)
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Troisième génération :
Du numéro de châssis 41189 à 87613
La ‘’Shifting Arrangement Plate’’ qui se positionne sur le fronton de cabine à gauche du cache essuie-glace de chauffeur et qui est en deux versions, avec ou sans treuil, prennent une nouvelle forme.
La ‘’Serial Number and Operating Data Plate’’ positionnée sur le corps de cabine sous le tableau de bord change une nouvelle fois:
-----La mention 353 et 352 disparaissent pour laisser place à un emplacement libre qui doit être rempli en fonction du véhicule court ou long.
-----La date doit maintenant être estampillée sous la forme mois/jour/année
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Quatrième génération :
Du numéro de châssis 87614 à +/- 220.000
La ‘’Shifting Arrangement Plate’’ qui se positionne sur le fronton de cabine fermée à gauche du cache essuie-glace de chauffeur et entre les cadrans/boite à gants sur les cabines ouvertes, reste inchangée.
Mais une troisième version prend place dans la cabine des véhicules avec prise de force arrière (version benne par exemple)
La ‘’Road Speed Caution Plate’’, sur le fronton entre les deux essuie-glaces dans les cabines tôlées et au-dessus des compteurs dans la cabine bâchée, reste inchangée.
La ‘’Winch Caution Plate’’ disparait.
La ‘’Serial Number and Operating Data Plate’’ positionnée sur le corps de cabine sous le tableau de bord pour les deux versions de cabine :
-----Perd la mention ‘’Quartermaster Corps’’ qui est remplacée par la mention ‘’Ordnance Dept.’’
-----Récupère les mentions 352 ou 353 estampillées de fabrication.
La ‘’Cooling System Caution Plate’’ fait son apparition au-dessus de l’essuie-glace chauffeur dans la cabine tôlée et au-dessus de la boite à gants dans la cabine bâchée à
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Cinquième génération :
A partir +/- du châssis 220.000 (à ce stade il n’y a plus de cabine tôlée dans la production)
La ‘’Serial Number and Operating Data Plate’’ positionnée sur le corps de cabine sous le tableau de bord
-----Perd la mention ‘’ Yellow Truck & Coach MFG. CO. Pontiac, Mich.’’ qui est remplacée par la mention ‘’GMC Truck & Coach Division General Motors Coorporation Pontiac Michigan’’
-----Les mentions 352 ou 353 disparaissent une nouvelle fois pour laisser place à un emplacement à remplir.
La ‘’Publication Plate’’ fait son apparition à droite de la ‘’Cooling System Caution Plate’’
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Sixième génération :
A partir +/- du châssis 350.000 et uniquement pour les véhicules qui sont livrés montés à l’armée, les autres qui sont des dizaines de millier livrés en caisse, en reste aux plaquettes de cinquième génération.
La ‘’Serial Number and Operating Data Plate’’ positionnée sur le corps de cabine sous le tableau de bord inclus les mensurations du véhicule en remplacement des données maritimes peintes sur la carrosserie.
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C’est plus ou moins à la même période qu’apparait la ‘’Wire Caution Plate’’ qui se positionne à la gauche de la ‘’Cooling System Caution Plate’’
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Ci-dessous trois clichés de tableau de bord de cabine ouverte.
Le premier avec les plaquettes cinquième génération.
Le second avec les plaquettes sixième génération et l’interrupteur d’allumage des feux du type à tirette.
Le second avec les plaquettes sixième génération et l’interrupteur d’allumage des feux du type rotatif.
Sur le trois vue la lettre :
---B--- repère la ‘’Road Speed Caution Plate’’.
---C--- repère la ‘’Shifting Arrangement Plate’’
---D--- repère la ‘’Cooling System Caution Plate’’
---E--- repère la ‘’Publication Plate’’
---S--- repère la ‘’Wire Caution Plate’’
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Ci-dessous une vue schématique de la cabine fermé quatrième génération de plaquette.
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Re: Early GMC CCKW 352 Data Plate

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZg5kwqF ... re=related
Nice 352 truck and job.See this 352 with dual front and tracking. :shock:
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