CCKWX

richard · Post by **richard** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:59 pm

Hello,

I am french and I just found and buy a GMC.
It is a CCKWX 353 Closed cab, serial number 10132, short body and registration number 424968 (original on the hood).

I am beginner on GMC, I need some help :

Who can tell me the date of production and if this truck have a civilian panel or a military panel. I need to know if the blackout at the left of the véhicule is on the grill or near the headlight.
And at the end, I would like to find some picture of the same truck.

Thanks a lot
Richard, the frenchie

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41 INDIAN 741 B 23908

robc · Post by **robc** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:20 pm

Hi

I have a CCKWX serial no' 9991-A1, your truck should have the blackout on the grill and have a civilian instrument panel. As to when built, I think late 1940 or early 1941, perhaps someone else on here could verify that.
According to GMC Trucks at War, there was a batch of CCKW trucks built with registration no' 424590 thru 425669, your truck is within that range, I think also your truck has no winch?.
If this is correct your truck details has helped me, as only 141 difference in serial no', with a registration no', which mine did not have.
Your truck should also have the early brake system, master cylinder on the outside of chassis.
Would be interested in pictures of your truck, I could e-mail some of mine, not sure hoe you put pictures on here.

Regards
Robert.

richard · Post by **richard** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:44 pm

Hi Robc, and thank you for your reply.

My english is not perfect, I try to be clear.

My truck have no winch, you are good, and there is a plate behind the left door for hydrovac. I did not take down any part, I think it is an early model.

The registration number on the hood is original, I find it like star on the door.
I can send you some pictures of my truck. He is unrestored and the panel is missing. I think our trucks have a near production, you can help me for the restoration.
If you want some picture, you must tell me your personnel mail adress, I don't know how to do on this post.

Regards
Richard

42cckw · Post by **42cckw** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:18 pm

Richard
The information I have says production date is January 1941

JIM 42 CCKW

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:38 am

Welcome to the site Richard and you have aquired as real prime truck. Congratulations on your find and we hope you enjoy this site, as there are some great guys on it and a wealth of information on GMC's.

richard · Post by **richard** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:46 pm

Hello 42 CCKW and armydriver and thank you for your answers.

Like I say upper, I need some pictures of same truck for all the details. My truck loose is panel board, I'd like to know some over specification of this closed cab.
This afternoon, I'd confirm he had the spécificity for the brake. I'd find bronze hinge for the hood and chrome windshield under OD.

Do you know if these closed cab have a serial number ?

Thank you all

Richard

robc · Post by **robc** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:36 pm

Hi Richard

I have left e-mail addys on a message for you, I will e-mail pictures of my truck once you let me have your address.

The cab serial no' can be found on a plate above the voltage regulator, it should start 1574 then followed by a number, 1574 is the cab type, which yours should be. Your cab should also have a ash tray in the centre.

Look forward to pictures.

Regards

richard · Post by **richard** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:17 am

Hi Robc

I give you my personnal adress : indianR741@aol.com

I send you pictures of my truck when you give me your adress mail.

Regards

Richard

mud-snow · Post by **mud-snow** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:48 am

Hey

Just to clarifie something.
These trucks in this batch (part of contract number W-398-QM-8275) was manufactured approximately from mid december 1940 to approximately mid january 1941. A total of 1080 units.
Since they are all CCKWX they all have Timken axles.
And it was not used A1 or B1 after the serialnumbers on the CCKWX series.. And they all was "CCKWX-353" regardles of long or short wheelbase.
And Rob and Richard your two trucks are the only one from this batch in my ever growing list of serialnumbers, so that you both confirm they are with out the winch is great. I guess all trucks in this batch was without winch.
Contrackt number W-398-QM-8275 started 1st nov 1940 and ended 31st jan 1941 witht the last CCKWX delivered (pluss the sole short wb tipper with serialno. 13 188)
In total in this contract it was some 7238 vehicles delivered in 12 different batches acording to my list.
So it helps a lot to get serialnumbers and additional information in to my list.
So keep serialnumbers coming guys!
Also all other data you have on your GMC including engine, cab and body

If you mail me oictures of your trucks I can put them out herre for everyone to see. Use e-mailadress cmpnorge(at)online.no

Rolf
PS: Will resend the list to Bill soon with all updates.

robc · Post by **robc** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:13 pm

Hi Rolf

According to my information contract W-398-QM-8275, was made up of the following trucks: LWB without winch 2250. SWB without winch 1080. LWB with winch 1651. SWB with winch 1760. tank trucks 105. LWB without winch 333 and stock rack trucks 60., which totals 7239.
There was another contract that built short & long wheel base CCKWX trucks, W-398-QM-8266. Of both contracts a total of 1246 short wheel base trucks with out winch were built.
If total trucks of both contracts are added together it makes 13187 CCKWX's built.
I have taken that information from, GMC. Trucks at War, a publication by Portrayal Press, it took a little working out, but is interesting the total number is the same as you came up with, what do you think?.
The cab serial no' is 1574-24106, which is correct, civilian instrument cluster, ash tray etc.
I have not taken the engine serial no' yet, its the standard CCKW engine, not sure if this is correct for early tuck?
I think the chassis is stamped A1 after the serial no', yes are quite correct all these trucks are 353's regardless of short or long wheel base.
Will send pictures to your e-mail.

Regards
Rob

mud-snow · Post by **mud-snow** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:28 pm

Robert

When I compare your numbers with my list it ads up like this:

I have been wrtiting Probably because I am not 100% sure, but when I ads your numbers, they fits together nicely!
The "A1" after the serialnumber.... I wonder if this was done to this contract and not the previously ones because it was alredy desided that GM would make their own Banjo axles, and alredy started to "tell the difference" betweene the axles and with or with out winch. Anyone having any Suffix and Prefix behind the serial number on earlier contracts???
Would be very interesting to be able to do this with more of the contracts !!!

What do you think Robert?

Rolf

mud-snow · Post by **mud-snow** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:34 pm

Here is a photo of Roberts very nice SWB CCKWX-353-9991-A1.

richard · Post by **richard** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:00 pm

Hello Guys,

I confirm the serial number of my truck : CCKWX 353 10132.
NO A1, B1,...
No winch and registration number 424968 (original on hood)

There is no plate for the serial number of the cab. I think that a thief (or a collector) take it and all the specific parts of these GMC.
I am looking for the engine number and body plate. I tell you the result.

I send pictures of my truck to Robc.
Hey Robc, can you show my truck on this forum, I don't know how to do, thanks.

Regards

Richard

mud-snow · Post by **mud-snow** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:17 am

Here is two pictures of Richards early GMC
Rolf

John V Cliche · Post by **John V Cliche** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:49 am

Sorry ,I deleted my post Rolf

I reread one of your previous posts and felt that my question was answered there.
Thanks for your reply however

Regards
John

John V Cliche · Post by **John V Cliche** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:56 am

Rolf
Please,Repost your reply
The info you presented was interesting and I'm sure useful to "other"members as well

john

mud-snow · Post by **mud-snow** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:57 am

It's ok John

I was just wondering if my computer was having a joke on me, because when I submitted my answer yours was gone.

But here is what I wrote (perhaps someone else also wonders):

"John

This truck is not shortened.
And yes you are correct it is a short one and it is a CCKWX-353 !
Confused ?
Well it is a simple as the first series GMC's produced all had Timken Split axles. This is why they are denoted CCKWX with the X meaning (from GM) that it was not standard axles (read their own).
And all CCKWX is a 353 regardless if it was short or long wheelbase.
They did not use 352 until GM started to deliver trucks with their own Banjo type axles.

Hope this helps a little, and I am sure someone else also will fill in.

Rolf

PS: I a working on some GMC articles that will be in the Enlish issue of Mud & Snow"

dr deuce · Post by **dr deuce** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:40 pm

Those pictures show a hood not from a CCKWX. I had a CCKWX and still have the hood and a piece of the cowl.

The CCKWX had the cowl portion of the hinge going straight down the front of the cowl and the hood was notched. The "Y" model Chev hd the same arrangement

I believe that the "X" was for a non-standard GM length (wheelbase)

robc · Post by **robc** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:02 am

Hi

Would you like to post pictures of the CCKW hood, be interested in seeing them.

Thanks

richard · Post by **richard** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:02 am

HI,

I am sure that the hood is the original. He had the original registration number, small letter on white. I can send a picture.

However, I'am open for all information.

Richard